Remembering to look for and ignore folks with that telltale indicator has made the fediverse so much more enjoyable.
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Honestly these kinds of posts don’t bother me. I’m usually on here answering people’s tech questions or trying to provide useful resources to people. If they don’t see it because they have ml blanket blocked then that’s their loss.
Yeah, there are plenty people who ended up there early when they’re weren’t many other options. Or just didn’t know. Though it’s your loss as well. Cut off from several instances for the behavior of others. It definitely sucks.
one of the best parts about lemmy.ml is no cm000spam
Wish we could get rid of the diva and cowbee spam here as well
Is it “spam” for 99% of my posts and comments to be in my home instance, and for the overwhelming majority of my interactions be via comments instead of posts?
Bro must either be an egomaniac that has a bot combing lemmy to find instances of his name being mentioned or terminally online.
I mean it’s probably the same reason I responded, I sort by new comments/chat
I search my name from time to time.
you could simply block me if you’re tired of my insights 😇
I’m not constantly spinning up new accounts like cm so it would probably be the last you see of me
No no. That would be a concession
What is this in reference to?
there’s a user (cm0002) who is so fervently anti-communist that they’ve spent years at this point having a vendetta with lemmy.ml/grad/hexbear.
for the longest time they were taking anything posted to a .ml community vias rss feed and reposting it on .world/or other instances out of spite
they also churn through accounts, so people who block them get to re-block them on every new account they spin up
This is politics imo. Where’s the corn?
Literally isn’t. It’s about people having insane, radical, or uncompromising/unrealistic opinions and being unwilling to accept others also having differing opinions.
Yeah, liberals do have insane, uncompromising, unrealistic opinions and are very unwilling to accept others having different opinions.
Man you guys just can’t help but to vilify yourselves.
If the shoe fits 🙃
havent used lemmy in a while and dont get it, could someone explain the joke?
They’re pro China and Russia
A lot of us are pro China and Russia. Not all of us, some of us aren’t tripping balls. I’m just kinda here, and didn’t realize I was defederated with some other instances…
Probably gonna make a new account in that case, if I ever remember to actually do so
That’s what I’m not a fan of. It feels softer than it is, the information bubble. The ml admins are too good at removing dissent and it translates to users unaware of the situation. Were there informed consent, I’d feel less aggrieved.
The fact they don’t list dissent or criticism of China/Russia as being bannable in the rules is one of the bigger problems. They will just ban you for Rule 1 or 2, neither of which have anything to do with that and leaving banned users scratching their heads wondering what they did wrong. Meanwhile to the other .mls, it just looks like the devs banned someone for a “legitimate” reason because the devs will leave a comment painting the banned user’s comment in that light.
Example: User “BillyBobJones” expresses a dislike of China’s genocide of the Uyghur Muslims. Dessalines or Davel will quickly ban BillyBobJones under Rule 1 or 2 for, say, “racism”. Then they will leave a comment under the deleted comment accusing BillyBob of saying something racist and saying that’s why BillyBob was banned. Unless an .ml user bothers to check the modlogs, they won’t know what BillyBob actually said and will praise Dessalines/Davel for removing a racist. Dissenter removed, echo chamber reinforced.
China’s genocide of the Uyghur Muslims
I literally just left Xinjiang again, currently in Kazakhstan.
If you want to criticize China, talk about existing policy, not silly shit the west made up.
Maybe even come over and make some friends and ask them about their experiences.
Also p sure its lemmy.ml policy to include the post you were banned for, unlike .world who will straight up lie.
You know what’s funny is .ml was one of the first instances I signed up for. I thought it stood for machine learning or something to do with programming.
I knew it was a leftist instance. I went into it (naively) excited to engage with a more thoughtful leftist internet space, considering it was a bunch of reddit exiles who were upset about heavy handed Reddit censorship. I was quite disappointed to learn quickly that it was just more of the same tankie brain rot, with more of the same tankie censorship you can find in a thousand different tedious places.
Even then I stuck with it for a bit. And then I learned that the head admin was potentially the most fragile person on the Internet, who literally will not post outside his own instance because he cannot handle any internet where he does not have (what he believes to be) a “win argument” ban button. It is literally so cringe, I cannot stand to be associated with it, and I don’t understand how other people tolerate being associated with his antics.
MLs are essentially incapable of arguing in good faith. You know how Christians quote to bible to “prove” their religion is true? MLs are the political version of that.
I opened a thread just yesterday and the top comment was “I recommend you read this article if you want to know what Noam Chomsky is really like”. It was upvoted. I like to learn things, and don’t really listen to a lot of Chomsky. So I started reading.
It was the most uneducated, biased, ragebait crap I’d ever seen posted to the fediverse. I started mentally building my reply about how “people are saying” is the worst kind of fallacy, and providing a quote from someone else with a different opinion doesn’t count as opposing evidence. I actually got a little upset, disillusioned even, wondering how anyone could fall for this idiotic “argument”. I didn’t agree or disagree with any point, but it was just so poorly made.
I went to reply, thinking I should provide some warning, then I noticed I was in an ml community. I’m mobile, so it sometimes doesn’t show the community until I’ve clicked (I know I can change that in the settings). I considered posting anyway, but it felt so fruitless. It feels like they’re either sheep or assets. I moved on. I feel better getting to let it out here instead.
excited to engage with a more thoughtful leftist internet space
considering it was a bunch of reddit exiles who were upset about heavy handed Reddit censorship
Lmfao. What’s leftism to you?
Tankies are lefties alright. Just braindead ones
Braindead is when you deviate one millimeter from western capitalist state propaganda
You can deviate without lapping up Kremlin propaganda
Five communists got enjailed in Ufa last week for reading Lenin. Being pro-USSR and anti-USA+EU doesnt equate with being pro-Russian Republic
You were defending the Russian republic just two days ago need i remind you
i’m a leftist and have an ml acct. but it’s like there is no engagement or linking or such - i dunno. i’m a newb.
You’d be hard pressed to find many on the fediverse that aren’t some flavor of leftist.
But yes. A lot of instances defederated from the .ml ones for the same reasons ml were generally blocked and banned from similar sites in the past. Which ironically led to the start of Lemmy and the link aggregation portion of the fediverse in the first place.
Depends if you consider liberals to be leftists.
No, it does not. That’s just a popular way for MLs to disregard any opinion they don’t like. “Liberal” is to online MLs as “woke” is to conservatives. The Fediverse is packed with Anarchists, Socialists, Communists, and Leftists that don’t fit neatly into a category and that’s not even arguing about whether social democrats and democratic socialists count.
The Fediverse is packed with Anarchists, Socialists, Communists, and Leftists that don’t fit neatly into a category
You mean terminally online wannabe leftists who haven’t read theory or engaged in organizing while they regurgitate CIA propaganda?
Like clockwork, here’s one now. And he plays a reverse card like this is Uno and not an intellectual exchange.
“CIA propaganda” is the other ML buzzword that approximates conservatives alleging “woke” and they’re always baffled that people outside their echo chamber don’t immediately concede the point. Like they just made the first move in a game of chess and legitimately think it’s checkmate.
“CIA propaganda” is the other ML buzzword
If you really wanna get informed about it, Gabriel Rockhill literally just published in Iskra Books an extensive analysis of the ways the US State Propaganda Apparatus affects media, arts, political organizing… There are literal entire books written about it if you wanna get educated.
I don’t get it, why is that instance of lemmy bad?
I think the problem is how authoritarian it is. It feels like living in Russia or china. If you say anything bad about china, russia, NK, or the moods you are attacked like you are the anticrist and banned.
From my experience I would risk to say many of those accounts are not even “real” people just a lot of ccp or kremlin police. Really zero freedom to express any ideas or even debate
Yeah, it’s absolutely a pro-dictatorship pro-russian/chinese farm to get their bot accounts comments, upvotes, etc, to push misinformation.
Literally got banned today for saying Putin should pull out of Ukraine and china has live organ farm harvesting in Xin Jiang province.
Edit: spelling. According to some big brain thinkers if you make a typo in the name of the province where people are tortured, it miraculously never happened…
Literally got banned today for saying […] china has live organ farm harvesting in Xin Xiang province.
Well, good ban. Disinformation should be banned.
You also seem very concerned for the people of a province whose name you can’t correctly spell. Surely not concern trolling
That is unfortunately not disinformation, you can easily google it.
Western state propaganda disinformation is readily available in Google, unfortunately. No material evidence for this, only “anonymous interviews”. We’ve seen how trustworthy those are when manufacturing atrocity propaganda against US geopolitical adversaries.
My .ml experience:
- Have a different opinion
- Get banned for rule 2
- See what rule 2 is
- Respect other opinions
i’d insert
- see what rule 2 is
- wonder why that applies
from the modlog it looked like you got a 4 day ban for citing a work of fiction as fact and crashing out in the replies when challenged on it
I had asked for a source that the book is fiction and got no answer except a quote from his ex-wife.
Here’s what you say is “no answer except a quote from his ex-wife:”
Alexander Solzhenitsyn was an anti-semitic Nazi sympathizer, and was arrested as such. His fiction is based on the folklore of the gulag system, and archival evidence and historical texts paint a much clearer picture of the soviet prison system. He’s essentially Yeonmi Park but for the USSR.
Here’s a real quote:
From an excellent thread going over his many ideological failings:
In his 2003 book, Two Hundred Years Together, he wrote that “from 20 ministers in the first Soviet government one was Russian, one Georgian, one Armenian and 17 Jews”. In reality, there were 15 Commissars in the first Soviet government, not 20: 11 Russians, 2 Ukrainians, 1 Pole, and only 1 Jew. He stated: “I had to bury many comrades at the front, but not once did I have to bury a Jew”. He also stated that according to his personal experience, Jews had a much easier life in the Gulag camps that he was interned in.
According to the Northwestern University historian Yohanan Petrovsky-Shtern: Solzhenitsyn used unreliable and manipulated figures and ignored both evidence unfavorable to his own point of view and numerous publications of reputable authors in Jewish history. He claimed that Jews promoted alcoholism among the peasantry, flooded the retail trade with contraband, and “strangled” the Russian merchant class in Moscow. He called Jews non-producing people (“непроизводительный народ”) who refused to engage in factory labor. He said they were averse to agriculture and unwilling to till the land either in Russia, in Argentina, or in Palestine, and he blamed the Jews’ own behavior for pogroms. He also claimed that Jews used Kabbalah to tempt Russians into heresy, seduced Russians with rationalism and fashion, provoked sectarianism and weakened the financial system, committed murders on the orders of qahal authorities, and exerted undue influence on the prerevolutionary government. Petrovsky-Shtern concludes that, “200 Years Together is destined to take a place of honor in the canon of russophone antisemitica.”
200 Years together is a completely different book and an ex-wife as a single source is not enough for me.
Okay, let’s assume his storys in the Gulag books are fictipn. What is your general opinion on gulags under Stalin?
The point of 200 years together being listed is that we know that he’s a liar and a conspiracy theorizing anti-semitic Nazi, so trusting his word alone on socialism makes no sense. We have every reason not to trust him and no reason to trust him, especially when he contradicts archival evidence on how prisons in the GULAG administration functioned.
As for soviet prisons, they varied quite a lot depending on severity of the crime and location, with many being pretty progressive for the time. Visitation, open air prisons, and a focus on rehabilitation was common. I already linked Russian Justice, but you should absolutely read it.
Yep, Wikipedia is written largely by westerners using western consensus, even if such consensus has inaccuracies or better information is available post-opening of the soviet archives. You can even see it uses the Gulag Archipelago as a source, despite it being a work of fiction.
US liberals are so upset when they hear anything to the left of AOC.
Pretending that Marxist-Leninists have Leftist beliefs is cute. That workers have no self-determination and have to tow the party line under threat of violence is the dead giveaway
The communist party is run by the working classes and derives its power from popular support. The people oppressed by communist parties were overwhelmingly fascists, landlords, and capitalists.
Out right lies. The communist parties (the ones that have existed, not the the theoretical ones) derive their power from threat of violence against workers. They’re a non-hereditary nobility that oppress workers (except North Korea which is now a hereditary monarchy).
Incorrect, on all counts. Communist parties derive their power from popular support from the working classes, as they themselves are working class. State violence is used against fascists, sabateurs, capitalists, and landlords. If they truly were a nobility concerned only with oppressing workers, then you have to prove why there was such dramatic improvements in social welfare, poverty eradication, key life metrics, studied Marxism and taught it in universities, and more. Certainly these would have been of no importance to a new ruling class?
You’re dramatically incorrect here.
Communist parties derive their power from popular support from the working classes
Political power flows from the barrel of a gun, not popular support. But of course strict control of News, Education, public discourse, and suppression of criticism really helps with the popular support.
State violence is used against fascists, sabateurs, capitalists, and landlords
as well as the workers
why there was such dramatic improvements
A phenomena that has occurred in plenty of other countries
studied Marxism and taught it in universities, and more
Priests, much like Bolshevik party officials, exist to maintain the system of control over the working class on behalf of their rulers and religion is widely taught in universities just like Marxist-Leninism was.
Marx has some interesting things to say, he should definitely be required reading, but Marxists treat Das Kapital like Christians treat the Bible.
Political power does flow from the barrel of a gun, but a revolution is doomed to fail without popular support, including a socialist government. The working classes were not oppressed by socialist states but instead uplifted, dramatically more than capitalist peer countries. The only countries that supercede socialist ones are ones that rely on imperialism.
The implication that Marxism-Leninism is a religion is baseless, the purpose of Marxism-Leninism is to abolish classes, not to maintain a ruling class like liberalism is.
Why are you going through old comments of mine to reply to?
but a revolution is doomed to fail without popular support
Which is why almost all of them ultimately collapsed. East Germany famously got to a point where they were spending more money on the Secret Police than on the military.
the purpose of Marxism-Leninism is to abolish classes
Todays home work assignment is to look up “Defacto and Dejure”
Why are you going through old comments of mine to reply to?
Don’t flatter yourself. You churn out comments at an incredible rate and you’re on half the Posts I look at.
.ml and .dbzer0
Both have proven themselves insufferable, biased, and all around plain toxic.
What I’ve learned is that Reddit.world allows for rule breaking as long as you’re punching left, but if you’re the one being beat on and you defend yourself you’ll be banned for wrongthink.
Cope
Why did you even leave Reddit?
Mostly to get away from the liberals, rightists, bots, trolls and capitalists losers.
So while the tankies and the terminally online purity test leftists are shitty, it’s at least not as bad as all the bullshit on Reddit and they are a small minority.
Same.
Now, explain why a “tankie” isn’t merely a leftist that failed one of your purity test.
I had the exact opposite experience in .ml for slightly criticizing communism and got site-banned by an admin right after the lynching. I’ve been criticizing the right in .world for two and a half years without a problem. Not a single comment taken down or a single ban for it. I don’t know where .mls who criticize .world get that from, but judging by the awful and overwhelmingly terrible attitudes I see from .mls I can see why they’re often complaining.
You haven’t had a problem because your politics align with .world - it’s a good match. You’re allowed criticism within a set of safe boundaries that do not challenge power. If you start talking about not voting for Democrats, though, they get a lot more hostile.
Not really? My politics align with the ones in my country. Our right wingers are essentially Democrats, and I didn’t vote for those. I also support criticism of the Democrats for being spineless and complicit, for example.
What I’ve noticed, though, is that the “challenging of power” as it often manifests is misrepresenting things like their role of Democrats in the Palestinian genocide. They’re usually in the form of uncompromising shrieks, calling everyone in the vicinity a Nazi.
Democrats have a really important role in supporting the Palestinian genocide, what are you even talking about?
Do you think Biden was actually working tirelessly for a ceasefire? Come on. It’s a bipartisan project!
No, that’s exactly where things break down, because I’m not saying any of those things but some people here, especially .mls, always bring it up as if it’s some new thought.
I’m saying they are complicit, but they are not the ones firing the guns. They are enablers. I’m not lifting any blame because they have blood on their hands, but I also don’t like exaggerating.
And what’s more, it’s that a lot of these same people somehow blame Biden frequently and incessantly, even though Trump’s administration is doing exactly the same.
Would you say the same thing about Republicans and Trump? They’re not the ones firing the guns either.
Absolutely. I don’t understand this trend of overstating or exaggerating. There’s no need when they’ve done enough as it is.
Same goes for other things, like lying about the harms of meat when advocating for vegetarianism. There’s plenty to point out without the need to lie.
I saw a comment the other day saying that an .ml called them a nazi and then that same .ml replied with a picture of the comment they had made dehumanising Russians.
Both comments got removed.
Meanwhile, Rule #2 for this community seemingly doesn’t exist.
