No, it does not. That’s just a popular way for MLs to disregard any opinion they don’t like. “Liberal” is to online MLs as “woke” is to conservatives. The Fediverse is packed with Anarchists, Socialists, Communists, and Leftists that don’t fit neatly into a category and that’s not even arguing about whether social democrats and democratic socialists count.
Like clockwork, here’s one now. And he plays a reverse card like this is Uno and not an intellectual exchange.
“CIA propaganda” is the other ML buzzword that approximates conservatives alleging “woke” and they’re always baffled that people outside their echo chamber don’t immediately concede the point. Like they just made the first move in a game of chess and legitimately think it’s checkmate.
If you really wanna get informed about it, Gabriel Rockhill literally just published in Iskra Books an extensive analysis of the ways the US State Propaganda Apparatus affects media, arts, political organizing… There are literal entire books written about it if you wanna get educated.
I usually start people on the COINTELPRO entry on Wikipedia unless I’m explaining to someone that they’re using the word “Anarchy” as a synonym for chaos because of a concerted effort by the authorities to depict anarchists as violent and out of control criminals.
My point being that actual CIA propaganda was a godsend to MLs. They can use the existence of it to deny anything bad about their movement to outsiders and while avoiding any painful self-reflection of their own failures. While somehow always refusing to accept that the USSR and other ostensibly socialists countries or countries opposed to the west would ever themselves engage in similar propaganda efforts.
My point being that actual CIA propaganda was a godsend to MLs. They can use the existence of it to deny anything bad about their movement
The most nuanced discussion I’ve seen of communist crimes is in ML circles. Deportations of ethnic Koreans and Crimean Tatars in the USSR, excess repression during the eve of WW2, freedom of speech and discussion in the late USSR… All of that receives extensive detail discussion in ML works such as Albert Szymanski’s “Human Rights in The Soviet Union” and “Is The Red Flag Flying”, long discussion in “People’s Republic of Walmart” with an entire chapter devoted to repressions in the USSR, and an in-depth analysis in Robert C. Allen’s “Farm to Factory” and Alec Nove’s “An Economic History of the USSR”. I’ll update you when I read Domenico Losurdo’s book on Stalin.
The fact that we don’t uncritically swallow anti-communist propaganda fiction works such as The Gulag Archipelago, and refuse “historians” who worked with guesswork before the opening of the Soviet archives doesn’t mean we deny atrocities. The point is that despite big mistakes in the construction of REAL socialist states, they’ve still been the most emancipatory and anti-imperialist projects on the face of the earth, and have brought untold good on the people who lived under them
No, it does not. That’s just a popular way for MLs to disregard any opinion they don’t like. “Liberal” is to online MLs as “woke” is to conservatives. The Fediverse is packed with Anarchists, Socialists, Communists, and Leftists that don’t fit neatly into a category and that’s not even arguing about whether social democrats and democratic socialists count.
You mean terminally online wannabe leftists who haven’t read theory or engaged in organizing while they regurgitate CIA propaganda?
Like clockwork, here’s one now. And he plays a reverse card like this is Uno and not an intellectual exchange.
“CIA propaganda” is the other ML buzzword that approximates conservatives alleging “woke” and they’re always baffled that people outside their echo chamber don’t immediately concede the point. Like they just made the first move in a game of chess and legitimately think it’s checkmate.
If you really wanna get informed about it, Gabriel Rockhill literally just published in Iskra Books an extensive analysis of the ways the US State Propaganda Apparatus affects media, arts, political organizing… There are literal entire books written about it if you wanna get educated.
I usually start people on the COINTELPRO entry on Wikipedia unless I’m explaining to someone that they’re using the word “Anarchy” as a synonym for chaos because of a concerted effort by the authorities to depict anarchists as violent and out of control criminals.
My point being that actual CIA propaganda was a godsend to MLs. They can use the existence of it to deny anything bad about their movement to outsiders and while avoiding any painful self-reflection of their own failures. While somehow always refusing to accept that the USSR and other ostensibly socialists countries or countries opposed to the west would ever themselves engage in similar propaganda efforts.
The most nuanced discussion I’ve seen of communist crimes is in ML circles. Deportations of ethnic Koreans and Crimean Tatars in the USSR, excess repression during the eve of WW2, freedom of speech and discussion in the late USSR… All of that receives extensive detail discussion in ML works such as Albert Szymanski’s “Human Rights in The Soviet Union” and “Is The Red Flag Flying”, long discussion in “People’s Republic of Walmart” with an entire chapter devoted to repressions in the USSR, and an in-depth analysis in Robert C. Allen’s “Farm to Factory” and Alec Nove’s “An Economic History of the USSR”. I’ll update you when I read Domenico Losurdo’s book on Stalin.
The fact that we don’t uncritically swallow anti-communist propaganda fiction works such as The Gulag Archipelago, and refuse “historians” who worked with guesswork before the opening of the Soviet archives doesn’t mean we deny atrocities. The point is that despite big mistakes in the construction of REAL socialist states, they’ve still been the most emancipatory and anti-imperialist projects on the face of the earth, and have brought untold good on the people who lived under them