The curse of vaccines is that they’re victims of their own success. They are so successful in fact that people forget why we need them in the first place. That’s why we unfortunately need a control group.
Thankfully some people volunteer for that role …
The phrase “there is no glory in prevention” is well known in related fields
I mean, you say that. But we have a quarterly all-hands office meeting at my company. Every meeting kicks off with “This is how many accidents we had this quarter. We are aiming for ZERO accidents. Zero Is Achievable.” And in the quarters we’ve had zero accidents, the upper management makes a big deal out of it.
There have been a number of campaigns to eliminate certain viruses from the human population - smallpox being the most famous. And there was quite a bit of glory doled out to celebrate the regional elimination of these contagions.
It’s possible to make prevention a celebrated endeavor. But you do have to prioritize it. And you can’t run away and blow it off when you fail. I think the real “no glory” issue is in bungled preventative campaigns. Far easier to insist vaccinations don’t work than to acknowledge our pre-Trump efforts at vaccinating the population have been half-assed and profit-motivated.
I feel like the antivaxxers are more concentrated in the developed north because of privileges; from having better access to healthcare, better economy, and less prevalence of deadlier diseases because of colder climate. So they get treatment more easily if they need one, and don’t see nasty diseases. Meanwhile, the global south tend to believe more in vaccinations because diseases in warmer climate are more common and deadlier.
Not making a choice, is a choice.
Geddy Lee voice
If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice
Jesus Christ, the Nurglites have come out of the woodwork in this thread.
Poor things, give them some homeopathic placebo at least
You mean essential oils?
I can’t describe how many patients I see in an average week who are taking homeopathic stuff for their dental diseases and ask me hopefully if it’s working. No, magic toxin water has not cured your gingivitis or rebuilt your cavitated tooth.
Sadly, the stupid tend to breed prolifically, and anti-vax idiots often have a gaggle of spawn, and are keen to whelp more litters as the others die from perfectly preventable diseases
I think about that often. The people who have the most kids are generally the ones who can’t afford them and have a harder time providing extra-curricular activities or those with more extreme religious beliefs who may opt out of scientific education. If your average Mormon has 3-4 kids and your average astrophysicist has 1-2, the population trend must eventually follow.
Mormons, Jews, Protestants and Catholics, and Muslims all seem to have more children the farther down the crazy path they go. I don’t know enough about other religions.
I know a couple of anti-vax people who won’t take or get any vaccine, but they will happily buy unregulated dick pills from china.
Half the anti-vaxxers I knew had concerns what was in the shot but did coke all weekend.
Nobody was thinking straight during the Covid Panic. I got the vaccine because I’m the type of person it likes to kill.
But it surprised me that the crowd that are terrified of Forever Chemcalz, atomz, BPA, microplastics and frequently scream “Regulations are written in blood!” were chomping at the bit to force everyone to get injected with a product from Big Pharma that was fast tracked and bypassed all normal regulations to get to market as soon as possible by the executive orders of a billionaire president they despised.
Meanwhile, the MAGA crowd were booing Trump at his rallies when he told them to go out and get vaccinated.
The whole world had gone cross-eyed.
Edit:
If any humans happen into this thread, take a look at these bots below replying, upvoting, downvoting. It’s shocking. It’s like There Will Come Soft Rains in reverse.
They have no idea what I’m saying. I made a joke about the possibility that vaccines could cause people to explode and they’re taking it at face value. Spitting out the same messages over and over “it’s safe and effective” and “You’re spreading misinformation” and demanding I provide evidence that vaccines cause people to explode and seriously explaining that vaccines do not cause people to explode. Wow.
Maybe the world didn’t go cross-eyed. It was the bots.
You should probably look up how vaccine testing schedules work normally compared to what they ddid with the covid vax. They didn’t rush or skip any testing, they simply put it ahead of every other test schedule, it was tested as thoroughly as every other vaccine, they merely delayed testing of other vaccines, because of the whole pandemic thing that was going on and, you know, the cripplingly dire need for it and all that.
I made a joke about the possibility that vaccines could cause people to explode and they’re taking it at face value.
Nobody took it at face value, you lying troll.
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The fact that we don’t put up with your troll shit doesn’t make us bots.
Nobody took it at face value, you lying troll.
Ahhhh. I see. Bot angry! Bot smash!
I wish I was a bot so I wouldn’t have to worry about the diseases you’re gonna spread with your idiotic troll shit.
My rational responses will encourage people to get the vaccine. Your psychotic rants will scare them away from it.
Oh come on, you have to be less obvious when you troll!
Yes, I’m sure bashing everyone else who got the vaccine as a brainwashed hypocrite who’s just following trends is the way to encourage more people to get the vaccine. Yes, what a “rational” response to assert that you’re the only person who got it for rational reasons and that everyone else is an idiot.
Come on, you know as well as I do that none of your comments from the very beginning have been about encouraging anyone to get vaccinated. At best it’s about trying to feel superior to everyone. At worst it’s trying to pick a fight and spread confusion and doubt.
Yes, I’m sure bashing everyone else who got the vaccine as a brainwashed hypocrite who’s just following trends
I’m not though because the vast majority of people are not political hobbyists and they, like me, did not get the vaccine because it was fashionable. They got it because it was reasonable.
Come on, you know as well as I do that none of your comments from the very beginning have been about encouraging anyone to get vaccinated.
This is not true. But if you insist on believing it, take comfort from the lessons of Kurt Vonnegut’s Mother Night. Even if I’m pretending to encourage people to get vaccinated, it is still encouraging people to get vaccinated. You are who you pretend to be.
Never took it, never needed it, I never will, so for the uneducated who are ready to polarize and divide people on a matter that is strictly personal, I remind you to read history and learn what is a pandemic because if you have to do a test to see if you got it, then it’s definitely not one, it was just a common flu and the experiment was you, so good luck you re gonna need it!
Here’s to you being removed from the gene pool. Hope you haven’t reproduced. If you do have kids, you shouldn’t be allowed to have custody.
Calm down my dude, so much hate in you, I hope you are ok
No hate, just wishful thinking.
You can call it whatever you like it, it’s still hate and is eating you alive, so sad, good luck to you too!
You rarely, if ever, find yourself in need of correction or acknowledging you might be incorrect about anything, is this a correct assumption? How often, if ever, do you find yourself doing a self inventory and audit on your personal views and beliefs?
If you are not a troll and you seriously asking me this, then you have some serious thinking to do about your life, I m sry, cy
So, never. You’re never wrong and your views never require questioning. How long did it take you to learn to suck your own dick?
I honestly am starting to think the anti-vaxx crowd has been astroturfed by pharmaceutical corporations in order to convince the general public that anyone who questions Big Pharma is some loomy who thinks vaccines cause autism wants to drink raw milk.
I’ve never once met the stereotype antivaxxer (dumb, thinks apple cider vinegar cures cancer, etc). I have a bunch of anti-vax coworkers (ironic as I work in healthcare) and they’re highly educated, normal people who don’t drink raw milk (though I’ve tried it and it’s just … milk.)
The first batches of mRNA vaccines were terrible. One of my friends had his skin start peeling after the first shot. Two others died within a day from the third shot. One of them was an athlete who swam daily. In my country, they were pushed on everyone, babies and pregnant women, some of whom later had abortions. But I guess no one will ever admit any mistakes. it’s easier to sow division among people than to seriously look into potential side effects.
I know someone who knows someone who’s friend’s postman had it and he grew a third arm!
Here’s a link to a website where you can find your intellectual companions and gaslight each other: reddit.com
Why go to Reddit? Plenty of people like you do it on here regularly as well.
I knew an athlete who had an mRNA vaccine and he died in a car accident two days afterwards. This was a very fit and healthy person who ran daily.
Hilarious, did you come up with this yourself, using your own talent?
Yeah I did, kinda like how only twelve people came up with 90% of the anti vax bullshit that got spread around during COVID.
I’m not trying to defend anti-vax views, but to critique the culture of denial. Clearly, it’s difficult for many to discuss the negative aspects without dismissal, likely due to the cognitive dissonance they experience.
Probably more to do with the fact that there is, at most, a tiny grain of truth at the core, but it’s wrapped in a mountain of bullshit.
Could be, but what interest would a regular person have in making things up? The only explanation I can think of is state actors, but even then, there must be something real to hold onto, even if it’s a 1 in million chance. The fact that everyone else is being dismissed makes it feel like a cult. I hate that criticizing Pfizer and Moderna has become associated with a political view, especially since these companies were involved in huge fraud scandals before.
Cue the classic Arthur meme, “do you really think someone would do that? Just go on the internet and tell lies?”
How about for money? How many grifters pushed their own protective supplements? You think pharma maybe would pay some astroturfers to push the ivermectin that didn’t do dick for anyone that didn’t have worms already because it’s fucking dewormer? How many antivaxxers made up bullshit about it just like they do every other vaccine? How many wealthy people down played everything and helped push lies so their workers would get the fuck back in the office/factory? How many people just said some stupid shit and doubled down to protect their ego when called out?
Like here’s the real issue. You’ve put no real thought at all into why someone might lie about it, as evidenced by the fact that you can only conceive of it being state actors while I came up with all those people incentivized to lie off the top of my head. And then, after putting no real effort into reflection or anything, you look around at all the people who can come up with reasons you’re wrong and claim it feels like a cult.
Sources. You know. To show you’re not a tool.
I’m sure you can find some papers easily, I haven’t looked into it in years but just from memory there are a few vectors from which problems can arise. The immune system produces antibodies and is responsible for ensuring that they are properly reactive. If this system becomes overactivated, some antibodies may slip through and target the own body, potentially leading to an autoimmune response. We also know that breastfeeding can transfer antibodies from mother to baby. Another consideration is the stability of mRNA production from fetal stem cells. In previous experiments, this process has often been unreliable or unstable. Also the virus mutates much more rapidly than many others, so priming the immune system against a specific variant may reduce its effectiveness against other variants or different viruses.
Sorry but no, this is not how it works. You claim things, you show proof of things. I don’t look it up for you. Provide sources.
Here’s a few: https://www.bmj.com/content/384/bmj.q488 https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2025/12/myocarditis-vaccine-covid.html https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10108562/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9206826/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10022421/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33866000/ https://www.nationalacademies.org/news/new-comprehensive-review-examines-potential-harms-of-covid-19-vaccination-and-intramuscular-vaccination https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M23-2956 https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9021367/ https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X22010283 https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/medicine/articles/10.3389/fmed.2025.1501921/full
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7944975/ If not mistaken this study used by Pfizer to support its vaccine global safety, was conducted in Israel using data from Clalit Health Services. The methodology was flawed: Pfizer sponsored the study, the lead researcher had ties to the company, and there was no proper system to track side effects (unlike the U.S. VAERS system)
