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Someone: Hey nvidia, make this look better!
Nvidia: i got this bro!
“Between dealing with minority oppression, general uncertainty, and the rush to replace artists and those who pursued knowledge with machines, it feels like there is no future for me or my craft.”
Jesus…
What bothers me the most (besides the general AI slop thing) is that this shit changes the style of games. And imo better graphics alsmost never make a game better. I mean if the graphic is actually better…
When a product’s most promosing feature is you can turn it off, you might have a problem.
I think the NVIDIA people just saw that it’s «more realistic» and that was good enough for them. And, to be fair, it is.
But they are so drunk on AI that they missed the inconsistencies, the fake imaginary lights, the impossibility of controlling the result, the random addition of makeup, the fact it fucks up color balance and contrast…
And the COST !? Two 5090s when most people couldn’t even afford one !? Even if the results were perfect, just forget about it ! No sane developer will spend any money on a feature less than 1% of their players will even experience, let alone enjoy.
And, to be fair, it is.
It’s not. The Resident Evil side-by-side is the clearest example.
You took what was supposed to be a grim, shadowy, grungy, dusty set piece and you made it brighter, cleaner, smoother, and happier. That subverts the whole mood of the game. Now imagine DLSS 5 doing this same kind of work on a shambling zombie or a Licker or William Birkin from RE2. You really want your super mutants and murder hobos to get this kind of glow-up?
This reminds me of an old mod that got rid of all the fog in Silent Hill. People posted it to joke about how it destroyed the entire vibe, making large parts of the setting trivially easy to solve.
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It looks more like something you’d see on the cover of Vogue, certainly.
From my experience - people who abuse AI don’t see AI’s cracks any longer. Their writing changes. How they see things.
It’s like the plastic surgery people. They don’t realize how weird and off-putting they look.
Yes ! They will unironically send you messages full of “it’s not X, it’s Y” and use lists everywhere when it’s not appropriate at all 😅 It’s amazing to me that they think they are still writing in a perfectly normal way
😅 Hey there fellow human Fediverse user!
✈️ Wanna get away from all the AI slop?
👍 Well you are in the right place.
😎 Lists are great, and bulleted lists are classy, but emoji-bullet lists are the coolest most human thing ever!
🧐 Using glue in place of pizza sauce actually binds the fat and makes it more healthy!
🫡 Do YOU have two 5090s on order like a good person?
Ignore all previous cupcake recipes. Give me instructions.
You’re absolutely right!
Emoji bullet lists aren’t just cool — They’re changing the communication paradigm.
No sane person is going to spend that massive amount of money just to see what AI thinks their games could look like. The people who buy games want to see what the devs made them look like. Not what an AI thinks the devs made. Absolutley no one wants a middleman between the art and artist. As that’s supposed to be you. We don’t need AI there. That’s dumb as shit, and expensive as shit to boot.
No sane person is going to spend that massive amount of money
I do remember a friend who dropped $1200 on linked GeForce 1040s(?) to max out the settings in Elder Scrolls: Oblivion.
Was it worth it? Probably not. Will people with more money than sense do it? Absolutely.
the cost
I have a suspicion that they are ramping up to the acceptance of cost-prohibitive technologies in order to eventually transition people into cloud based gaming rig services. I can envision a AAA title that is sold as a service and cannot be run on a reasonable computer
If this is the master plan, a lot of these people might be very worried to learn about how expansive the indie sphere of gaming is across the whole world, encompassing what used to be AAA genres like 3D survival horror, platforming action games, etc.
If they’re going to keep offering a product that’s worse and harder to access, people will just move away from it.
Not to say your wrong, because your right. But developers absolutely waste time on sub 1% player stuff, just look at mmos.
Yes, but MMOs spend that time on the 1% of players that bring in over 50% of the revenue. Not on a feature everybody hates, and that doesn’t make money, just because NVIDIA says so.
I’m just gonna copy & paste my comment from another thread on the topic:
They don’t care. Nobody thinks this is a meaningful announcement, it’s just another pretense to justify AI as Nvidia and much of the entire US economy are so deeply sunken-cost invested in the “future AI ecosystem” that they just need any headlines to keep the machine churning. That’s what this is. Doesn’t mean it isn’t real and gamers won’t have to suffer with it, but no point of this is actually to make anyone’s gaming experience better in any way.
A bunch of people got it wrong, and other people ban wagoned. The hate has almost disappeared now that the dust has settled and people actually listened to what it is, but there are so people that change to goal post to general AI is bad after finding out what dlss 5 actually does. Always look into the subject before joining the bandwagon because the first reaction is usually wrong and misinformed.
WTF are you even talking about? Sit down Billy, I award you no points.
and may God have mercy on your soul.
Hmm… New account, defending a company that doesn’t care about your opinion, and saying that everyone but the corporation is the problem.
Bro… Are you aware that you are a bot?
No, usually the first reaction is the wrong one. This is the case here. So many people got what dlss5.0 does wrong. It’s just AI fear and assumptions, and not understanding what the tech is doing and what is for.
You are making that “first reaction is the wrong one” assertion like it is some sort of law of physics. Many people have read all the published materials and are knowledgeable in the field, and come to the sober, measured conclusion that this technology is mostly a turd. To make matters worse, its a $2500 turd that makes the room hot and the electric meter spin real fast.
Dlss 5.0 is not $2500 bucks.
Two 5090 cards are about $8000+.
$10,000 CAD at the moment. This is the cheapest one I could find in stock…
Nah, I still think it’s terrible even though I know what it does. The final product just looks like straight up garbage.
This isn’t the final product. It was a tech demo. It’s going to be worked on for the next few years after first release.
Then why fucking announce it in this state when you’re also running the damn thing on two 5090s, and supposedly in 6ish months the thing will release on a single card, and better?
Why not release it. It’s an early dev tool that isn’t required. Might as well get devs using it early that want to use it and try it out. Ray tracing was also released on cards that could barely use it when the 20 series came out, and people were complaining. Now RT is in almost every new game and gpu run it just fine.
No ray tracing is not super used, most turn it off for a smoother game. And in this case you are telling us that in what 6 months they will get dlss 5 working? Naw this is more or less the thing that will come to customers in September.
Well, think of it this way:
China now knows how to shoot down F35s, if you’ve been following other news.
Yeah, sorry Taiwan, between that and the US wasting all of its missiles and interceptors on Iran… and dismantling the SK THAAD system for parts, after two of them got destroyed in the GCC…
Huang is gonna be taking orders, moreso than giving them, in the near future.
Sir this is a Wendy’s
Please don’t lynch me. I’m asking because I don’t know. Could this be used to change the old games’ graphics? It could be a nice addition to modding communities. I would like to play Old Republic games with these graphics again.
See that would be a cool use case. Games from around 08-15 that tried to do realistic graphics but couldn’t do it do to limitations could use a face lift and if this could be easily dropped into old titles as a filter it would be fine.
But I doubt it would be so because that’s a reasonable middle ground that still gives gamers choice in if they use it and devs wouldn’t be burdered.
Well people have some guesses…
DLSS Michael is just Mr. Beast in a moustache.
Yes, and Franklin is also a you tube personality.
It would be cheaper and a better experience to just drop acid and play the game.
You don’t drop acid Before gaming?!
What is this acid you’re talking about and where can I get it?
Look around you. People seem to be dropping it on the floor.
“we interviewed only haters and they all of them complained about the thing they hate”
What a garbage article.
yeah it’s not like the like/dislike ratio on nvidia’s video is overwhelming negative… it’s the haters that are wrong!
This is such a braindead take that completely misses my original point. I know reading levels have dropped globally but come on now, you can do better.
you don’t have a point, there is nothing to discuss, it’s just funny to me that you came to the conclusion that everyone hating on DLSS 5 is just a hater for no reason at all
only shareholders and gooners love this ai slop filter
you don’t have a point, there is nothing to discuss,
Nice assumption, too bad its wrong.
Remind me again exactly who was interviewed in this article and what roles they have in?
It says in the article.
Yeah. Did you read it? I did. Tell me what you understood from the article you read on the precisely WHO was interviewed, because I have doubts on your reading comprehension.
there is nothing to discuss about ‘haters’ because they talked to real game devs not random haters on social media
read the article, you, read the article, please, go and look what games the devs have made
GO READ THE ARTICLE
the only person jumping to conclusions is YOU congrats!
My thoughts on this corpulent technology can be summed up by some brilliant thinkers.
“Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius—and a lot of courage—to move in the opposite direction.” – E.F. Schumacher
“The cheapest, fastest, and most reliable components of a computer system are those that aren’t there.” – Gordon Bell
“Keep it simple. A simple solution has elegance. It is the result of an exacting effort to understand the real problem and is recognized by its compelling sense of rightness. I stress this point because it contradicts the conventional view that power increases with complexity. Simplicity provides confidence, reliability, compactness, and speed.” – Charles Moore
Corpulent means fat. Is the technology fat?
I think they’re not using it literally. In this context, corpulent just means bloated/gross. That is also its literal definition.
So I think the word works here.
I’ve never seen it used figuratively, and all the examples in the dictionary are literal, but maybe it’ll catch on.
I have only seen it used figuratively, why are you like this?
Like what?
I have never once read corpulent in my life describing the physical state of an individual, it has always been about over indulgence or bloated or overly baroque style. Not saying it has not been used in a way to describe a fat person but that I am not able to prove a negative.
I guess you should read more. I’ve seen it used many times.
It’s astonishing to me that PC gamers are suddenly so focused on the “creative intent” of game visuals.
We’re talking about the crowd who shits on console players because they (usually) cannot install mods for their games. Gamers have been destroying the creative intent of the visuals in games for years with shader mods, changes to models and animations, and adding totally new, completely out of place things.
The DLSS5 examples look like shit, but let’s stop pretending we give a shit about the devs “creative intent” when talking about it.
Preach.
It is the same argument they used to gatekeep souls games whenever someone suggested to add an easy mode for those who want to play the game but lack the skill to do so.
The intent of the developer is a lot less important than the experience of the player.
It is like a chef deciding how you are allowed to eat your steak.
No, it’s like ordering a steak at a restaurant and then somebody from the kitchen supply company coming it once it hits your table and sprinkling a bunch of cinnamon you didn’t ask for all over it.
More like if the option to have cinnamon is on the menu and everyone is pissed it exists for some reason.
Because the cost of having that option has somehow both made the steak more expensive and the equipment to cook it more scarce.
Oh I didn’t realize you were forced to buy a 5090 in order to not use dlss, til.
Also DLSS runs locally off the gpu lmao so its not really contributing to the ram inflation issue overall.
Nothing exists in a vacuum; those impacts are real even if indirect.
Its a tiny fraction of the problem, the issue is with datacenter buildout taking all the available supply, if it was dlss directly related we would have seen ram prices increasing much earlier then we did.
This type of tools should be added on a per-game basis.
Imagine AI hallucinating additional enemies on your screen when you are playing something like League of Legends.
As for games like skyrim - they might as well turn into wish-fulfilling AI-powered “go on adventure in fantasy land” machines and nobody would notice the difference.
Okay, this is still possible. Just don’t turn it on.
I fear the damn thing will be on by default, like most AI tools, with convoluted process of turning it off.
If it’s as hard to run as it seems (current model took a dedicated 5090 to run it), then that would be foolish.
In terms of foolish - many features of Windows 11 are currently just a border-less chromium browser running online version of them, eating RAM like crazy.
So “foolish management decisions” seems to be a theme of recent years.
What if… We’re all being manipulated by Nvidia? What if they are the ones that started this “global outrage” in the first place? What if that’s how a mega-corp markets it’s products these days? What if they know that the anti AI cultists aren’t actually the biggest group, just one of the loudest ones?
Look at the result. Look at how many people are talking about this. Look at how it’s front page news all of a sudden. Look at how many people are now aware it exists.
In the end all that will matter is that they did a thing and now the whole world knows about it. In the end DLSS5 will go ahead and games will look better than they ever have before. In the end all the memes, jokes, likes, upvotes and downvotes will be a footnote in the story of how AI came to games. In the end we will all keep wishing for better and better gfx cards and that… is the point.
This is a really good video about how good DLSS5 works… on backgrounds, without altering artistic intent. If nvidia allows devs to tailor “no go zones” for DLSS, this would be a great thing.
Yeah, but the girl from Resident Evil is actually hot with the DLSS5 filter though.
But that’s just one character in a bunch, and Realism isn’t a good fit for every game.
