That is one way to see it, but it’s also possible to have a more pluralistic view. Like in India which has a long tradition of many religions co-existing with respect.
Then there is the Stoic view of Logos, which is the ”natural order” of the world. It’s a philosophical view, but according to it Logos has a divine source and it’s up to the individual to align with it and accept it. So since Logos contains multiple religions, does it matter which ones are right or wrong, rather how to align yourself with them?
That is to say, you are right about being not right.
At the core, Hindus and Christians basically share the same philosophy on God.
In Christianity, God has three aspects. Jesus, The Holy Ghost and God. In Christianity, this is known as “The Trinity”. If you pray to Jesus, you are also praying to God and the Holy Spirit.
Similarly, ancient Hindus asserted that the essence of the deities was unitary, and the deities were nothing but pluralistic manifestations of the same concept of the divine god.
So, if a Hindi met a member of a death cult, they might think “This person is missing out SO much good stuff!” But not really - they’d probably think that Mr. Death Cult Person was a weirdo and missing the point of religion entirely.
Yeah, and that’s why realists who believe in an objective reality are stupid. They won’t admit they’re wrong no matter how much evidence is stacked against them.
I honestly don’t even think I get your position here. Do you somehow not believe that you live in some kind of objective reality together with the rest of us? Do you think this is all just going on in your head? Like… is this some kind of far-out simulation theory thing? Even if we do live in a simulation, that simulation itself must exist in some kind of “real world”.
Your perceptions are influenced by your beliefs, and your beliefs are influenced by your culture. So if someone can buy control of our cultural media, they can control reality for the general population. And that’s exactly what they’ve been doing. The owning class have literally constrained our ability to imagine and perceive a fair and just world. For example, they spent centuries silencing queer people, and as a result, most people became literally incapable of perceiving a nonbinary person. When they looked at someone like Me, they would see a man or a woman instead. Their foundational perception was and is distorted.
For a revolution against the owning class to be successful, we need not just to destroy the state apparati of physical control, but also of mental control. We need to destroy the belief in a capitalist cisheteropatriarchal reality. https://soulism.net/
That doesn’t even remotely answer my question though? My impression was that you have some kind of belief that an objective reality doesn’t exist in the first place, and that just doesn’t make any kind of sense to me.
The belief in an objective reality is a prerequisite to the owning class’s control of reality. People let the media tell them what to believe, because they want to believe in objective reality. They don’t want to actively participate in creating their own subjective world.
And that’s exactly why the belief in an objective reality is a dangerous and corrupting technology. We shouldn’t leave such a powerful tool for control lying around where evil people can get their hands on it. We need to raise the next generation believing that the universe is subjective in nature, armed with the knowledge of all the horrible atrocities that realists have committed throughout history. The crusades. The slave trade. The stolen generations. The holocaust. All motivated by the belief in an objective reality, with objective reasons to oppress the weak. Realism is an evil technology.
What you’re saying makes no sense… you drawing an equivalence from the existence of an objective reality to some people controlling how that reality is perceived. If anything, you gotten it all flipped around: If reality is subjective (which itself is absurd) then any interpretation of it is equally valid. In that case, anyone is free to believe in their own reality, regardless of the objective facts that prove them wrong. This is basically what’s going on with the MAGA movement: A bunch of people deciding that “reality is what I want it to be”, and acting based on “alternative facts” in complete disregard for the objective, observable, facts around them.
The problem with believing in gods is that you think you are right. That makes other people wrong. And so it begins…
That is one way to see it, but it’s also possible to have a more pluralistic view. Like in India which has a long tradition of many religions co-existing with respect.
You can respect someone and still think they’re wrong. Just like I respect you right now.
But if you truly believe in your religion, then you must believe that other religions aren’t right.
That’s only your view of it, and if it suits you then so be it.
I think the Hindu school of thought is described here, that there is one truth (god), but it has many manifestations (religions)
https://www.sanskritica.com/shlokas/rig-1-164-46-ekam-sat
Then there is the Stoic view of Logos, which is the ”natural order” of the world. It’s a philosophical view, but according to it Logos has a divine source and it’s up to the individual to align with it and accept it. So since Logos contains multiple religions, does it matter which ones are right or wrong, rather how to align yourself with them?
https://www.stoicmentality.com/logos-in-stoicism
So Hindu believe that the alien worshipping death cult that thinks all Hindu should die is as true as their own religion? That doesn’t seem right.
You are correct!
That is to say, you are right about being not right.
At the core, Hindus and Christians basically share the same philosophy on God.
In Christianity, God has three aspects. Jesus, The Holy Ghost and God. In Christianity, this is known as “The Trinity”. If you pray to Jesus, you are also praying to God and the Holy Spirit.
Similarly, ancient Hindus asserted that the essence of the deities was unitary, and the deities were nothing but pluralistic manifestations of the same concept of the divine god.
So, if a Hindi met a member of a death cult, they might think “This person is missing out SO much good stuff!” But not really - they’d probably think that Mr. Death Cult Person was a weirdo and missing the point of religion entirely.
Why would you believe anything if you were going to believe you were wrong?
And that’s why you shouldn’t.
Yeah, and that’s why realists who believe in an objective reality are stupid. They won’t admit they’re wrong no matter how much evidence is stacked against them.
I honestly don’t even think I get your position here. Do you somehow not believe that you live in some kind of objective reality together with the rest of us? Do you think this is all just going on in your head? Like… is this some kind of far-out simulation theory thing? Even if we do live in a simulation, that simulation itself must exist in some kind of “real world”.
Please explain
Your perceptions are influenced by your beliefs, and your beliefs are influenced by your culture. So if someone can buy control of our cultural media, they can control reality for the general population. And that’s exactly what they’ve been doing. The owning class have literally constrained our ability to imagine and perceive a fair and just world. For example, they spent centuries silencing queer people, and as a result, most people became literally incapable of perceiving a nonbinary person. When they looked at someone like Me, they would see a man or a woman instead. Their foundational perception was and is distorted.
For a revolution against the owning class to be successful, we need not just to destroy the state apparati of physical control, but also of mental control. We need to destroy the belief in a capitalist cisheteropatriarchal reality. https://soulism.net/
That doesn’t even remotely answer my question though? My impression was that you have some kind of belief that an objective reality doesn’t exist in the first place, and that just doesn’t make any kind of sense to me.
The belief in an objective reality is a prerequisite to the owning class’s control of reality. People let the media tell them what to believe, because they want to believe in objective reality. They don’t want to actively participate in creating their own subjective world.
And that’s exactly why the belief in an objective reality is a dangerous and corrupting technology. We shouldn’t leave such a powerful tool for control lying around where evil people can get their hands on it. We need to raise the next generation believing that the universe is subjective in nature, armed with the knowledge of all the horrible atrocities that realists have committed throughout history. The crusades. The slave trade. The stolen generations. The holocaust. All motivated by the belief in an objective reality, with objective reasons to oppress the weak. Realism is an evil technology.
What you’re saying makes no sense… you drawing an equivalence from the existence of an objective reality to some people controlling how that reality is perceived. If anything, you gotten it all flipped around: If reality is subjective (which itself is absurd) then any interpretation of it is equally valid. In that case, anyone is free to believe in their own reality, regardless of the objective facts that prove them wrong. This is basically what’s going on with the MAGA movement: A bunch of people deciding that “reality is what I want it to be”, and acting based on “alternative facts” in complete disregard for the objective, observable, facts around them.
That’s not true. I believe in gods and I’m n antirealist. I think everything is subjective and we should kill the idea of one objective reality.