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      Why would I condemn something that didn’t happen? Previously:

      You can’t bring us evidence because there isn’t any.

      The US tried to foment division in China by funding and organizing Salafi terrorist into Xinjiang, and once its efforts failed, it made lemonade out of its lemon by concocting and promoting a genocide narrative.

      The only countries pushing this narrative are the “always the same mapimperial core countries, which just so happen to be largely the same ones supporting Israel’s genocide.

      Almost no predominantly-Muslim country buys the Uyghur genocide narrative, because they know it’s bullshit, because they talked to the Uyghurs themselves.
      https://twitter.com/un_hrc/status/1578003299827171330

      #HRC51 | Draft resolution A/HRC/51/L.6 on holding a debate on the situation of human rights in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region of #China, was REJECTED.

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            Ok, so Poland seems to recognize it and is not in the “core”…

            Turkey seems to recognize it and is not in the “core” …

            Taiwan seems to recognize it and is not in the “core” …

            Ukraine seems to recognize it and is not in the “core” … Ukraine actually said that after they did China threatened to limit trade and block scheduled delivery of 500,000 covid vaccine doses.

            Czech Republic seems to recognize it and is not in the “core” …

            Actually looking at the countries supporting and not supporting it looks like divide is more between democracies and dictatorships.

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                You’re saying that Russia and China is anti-imperialistic? One actively is trying to exterminated a country and another is preparing to do the same likely in 2027.

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                  Lol, it’s hilarious that western shitlibs have so little to base their accusations of imperialism against china on that they have to start appealing to things that haven’t even happened, but which they swear will.

                  Well ok; Ukraine is preparing to exterminate the entire human race twice over in 2027, so actually Ukraine is the most imperialist power.

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                  Russia and China are both anti-imperialist countries. Russia is run by nationalists that kicked out the western imperialists that were plundering their country in the 90s, and are thus anti-imperialist strategically. China is a socialist country, and has no financial oligarchy. Because of this, it has been the most important player in undermining imperialism globally, and providing an alternative to bypass unequal exchange.

                  It isn’t the US or EU that countries in the global south go towards in breaking free of the cycle of underdevelopment, it’s Russia and China. Russia isn’t exterminating anyone, and China isn’t preparing to do that either. You have a very chauvanistic view of the enemies of the west, as though you can’t accept that their villians aren’t as evil as them.

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                  You’re saying that Russia and China is anti-imperialistic?

                  Yes: China by virtue of being socialist and Russia by present circumstances. Previously:

                  Russia is an interesting case: it has already liberated itself from the post-Soviet “shock therapy” neocolonizers. This occurred during Putin’s administration, which is why he is especially hated by the US.

                  But Russia isn’t trying to “liberate” Ukraine, at least not all of Ukraine. It’s trying to resolve the genocidal attacks on the people of the Donbas, and it’s trying to resolve the imperialist military expansion at its border.

                  One actively is trying to exterminated a country

                  Despite the last three years of propaganda to the contrary, Russia is not trying to exterminate Ukraine[1][2].

                  another is preparing to do the same likely in 2027.

                  First of all, if you ask most countries, including the ROC, the PRC, and the USA, Taiwan is still a part of China. This is considered an internal matter by both, and is a consequence of China’s civil war being interrupted at the cusp of its conclusion, when the remnants of the fascist KMT had retreated to the Formosa/Taiwan.

                  Second of all, China doesn’t want to attack Taiwan if it can at all avoid it. Otherwise it would have done it already. China has the patience to wait out a long, slow process of integration. It has nothing to gain by attacking those who it considers its own people. Until recently, the US had been hoping to goad China into an attack, in order to destabilize China. But I think the US now realizes that it doesn’t have the capability to succeed.

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              Why do you think post-Warsaw Pact states like Poland, the Czech Republic, and Ukraine fall in line with what the ruling classes of the richest countries want? Could it be that these countries became completely dominated by the Western IMF/NATO protection racket upon seceding? Could it be that there’s been a concerted effort since the beginning of the Cold War to create a class of liberal and fascist collaborators in these countries with the explicit purpose of defeating communism? Should it be surprising that they’re anticommunist as a result?

              Taiwan is probably the most obvious one to choose if I wanted an example of a country (allegedly) with a vested interest in making up human rights violations against China.

              And how can you call the side with the US in it democratic?

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                Why are you changing goal posts? Looks like it is more countries than “the core”.

                Ukraine also showed how China pressured everyone to not vote yes.

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                    Oh so when a country with one of the biggest Nazi concentrations claims another is run by Nazis then proceeds to invade it country and tries to exterminate its population that’s ok in your mind?

                    That’s very ahem “non Nazi” way of looking at things.

                    Looks like you aren’t really supporting communism you are just supporting terrorizing people with tanks. The word “tankie” couldn’t be any truer.

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                  Ok, the goalposts turned and left us here. What do you want me to say? Looks like Poland, Taiwan, Czechia, Turkey, and Ukraine don’t like China, a phenomenon that I can’t offer an explanation for without being accused of moving the goalposts further.

                  If there’s something substantial to what you’re saying (hell you never even made a claim, the original comment in this chain wasn’t even specific about what he believed was or wasn’t true about Uyghurs) it’s on you to bring evidence to the table.

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                    Oh, so because they raise awareness of a genocide happening, it means they don’t like them? It originally started that only a small percentage backs it up. Turns out that percentage is much much bigger.

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              Every country on earth is a dictatorship: either a dictatorship of the rich or a dictatorship of the proletariat

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          He linked you a UN vote where almost all the majority Muslim countries, save for Somalia, voted no or abstained on starting a debate about China’s treatment of the Uyghurs. That’s not China speaking.

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            Is it not? Surely we don’t have to sit here and pretend that United Nation votes aren’t extremely political. Maybe if we were school children playing model UN we might think that but we should all know better right? We know that geopolitics and trade relations usually define UN resolutions more than actual truth does. It’s one of the major faults of the United Nations.

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              You’re right, those filthy stupid brown people just don’t know what’s good for them. They’re only voting like that because China forces them to, otherwise they would definitely agree with the US who demonstrably cares about the well-being of Muslims.

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                  What do you mean racism? I’m just following your lead. Can’t trust those heathens to have opinions of their own. It’s really our burden to make sure they make the right decisions.

                  Edit: sorry, was I not supposed to say the quiet part of your post out loud?

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                    There it is again. Wow you sure went to that really fucking fast. I was talking about trade relations and geopolitics. You jumped right to racism. Funny that. Just on the tip of your tongue I guess…