Ah now that generalization was shown to be shortsighted, suddenly it was always about the specifics in the post. Interesting.

Sort of. Mostly seems like nihilism or denialism.

Also not a realistic scenario. Purely slippery slope argument.

That seems like a slippery slope argument to me. Pretty unlikely.

Nope. As long as our lives get destroyed by rich strangers we will never meet, everything will be political. Trying to force that is just head in the sand.

Yeah, I agree the system is fucked up from the top down. Doctors do not deserve all the blame for sure. Mainly, I’m just likely to not be forgiving of crazy wait times if the doctor also sucks at providing care. A lot of them do suck, unfortunately. Really makes you appreciate the good ones.

My experience contradicts this. I live in a blue state and would put the percentage of gas pumps that accept tap payments at 15%. Because most of the pumps that support tap have it disabled. You get an error if you even try to use it. Other nearby states seem even worse off. I don’t know where you live that has its shit so well together but it clearly isn’t here

Try a road trip through the US. At least where I’ve been, you’d be lucky to find two gas pumps in a row that work with tap payments. A lot don’t even work with chip payments.

It would have been nice in a way to have a country that deserves as much trust as the US was given for so long. But we never deserved it and trump has obliterated any hope that we ever will deserve that trust ever again. We should expect someone worse than trump. The US has been riddled with corruption and self inflicted social problems and what we’ve seen come fully into the open about that is most people are fine with all of it. People don’t want a better tomorrow for anyone else. They’re prioritized keeping others down; they’ll figure out later how to lift themselves up.

If they schedule fewer patients then maybe they’d feel like they have time to talk to me and we’d actually solve my issue so I don’t come back two weeks later, further gumming up the system. “Even fewer”? A recent doctor experience I had was arriving early for a 9:45 appointment to an absolutely jam packed waiting room where I had to wait literally almost two hours to be seen. By your logic, they weren’t seeing many patients and it’s a bad solution to see fewer. At one point it was announced they were about an hour behind schedule. Even that was very incorrect for me, almost by a factor of 2.

I cannot pinpoint all the problems behind the scenes but it’s 100% clear multiple people are not operating honestly. If you make an appointment time, you should plan to not have patients wait hours past that. You the doctor office did something wrong and it was avoidable. They probably over scheduled and then also the doctor came in late. Again I don’t know the details but I do know they fucked up and that’s not uncommon and it’s also not something to dismiss as patients expecting too much.

I’m not complaining about immigration. Only idiots and assholes complain about that.

Doctors might schedule less patients per day and increase the number of patients seen overall. It’s not like over scheduling doesn’t have other effects besides being infuriating. It means they rush through the visit, ask few follow-up questions and decrease the chance I’ll have a solution in that one visit. I may have to come back again after the useless piece of non-applicable advice they gave me doesn’t work.

I guess a lot of lemmings work in doctors offices or something. It’s not an unfair ask at all to not routinely wait many minutes past your appointment time. It’s very fair. Yet itt several users push back against this idea as though the waiting isn’t anyone’s fault. Yes, it is. And we deserve better.

It’s taken decades of bad experiences for me to get here. I have seen time and again that most doctors are not interested in helping people. They are interested in driving a Mercedes and retiring with millions of dollars. They aren’t billionaires but they are selfish pricks. And you can easily tell the difference between the minority of doctors who do care and the majority who don’t. The typical doctor assaults you with “you’re just another patient” vibes from the first moment you walk in the door. They don’t ask followup questions, they don’t listen to your complaints about whatever issue you’re having, they’re basically worse than a Google search.

Then sometimes you’re faced with insane billing issues like one I’m going through now from a mental health professional who came back months later after not helping me at all and being completely inept at their job to try and double bill me for all the services I already paid for. This guy sucked from day one, utterly incapable of communicating, and now he’s repeatedly blown me off when I try to straighten this out and prove I paid it. I approached him for help with stress and anxiety and literally got no help and added stress and anxiety about the fucking basics of just trying to seek help from him. I honestly suspect he’s a scammer who has pulled this double bill scam a lot. I know this area has a lot of wealthy people who would’ve assumed they made a mistake and just paid the bill of hundreds of dollars again. I could tell you several fucked up stories about how doctors wasted my time, not helping me at all, costing me a lot of money, and stressing me out.

Trust me, I’ve appreciated the great doctors I’ve seen. They are wonderful humans who clearly want to help people. It’s unmistakable and unforgettable when you get a doctor like that. I have no beef with them, and even if they made me wait a long time, I’d assume it wasn’t their fault. But I’d guess out of the doctors I’ve seen in my life, and we’re probably looking at 30-50 doctors at this point, less than 20% actually seem in the field for good reasons.

And just for clarity, I’m in the US. It’s likely that percentage is much higher in civilized countries.

In America I have rarely gone to a hospital to see a doctor. Most of my doctor visits have been to practices with 3-5 doctors. They could choose differently. what I notice is that doctors are rich and all seem to live in very nice homes and drive fancy cars. They over schedule and waste our time because they want to maximize their profits. Not because they have to. Healthcare in America is about making money and it sucks.

They should schedule realistically and not make people wait over an hour as has happened to me several times. Are you really suggesting that doctors offices don’t fuck this up royally? It’s not on me to tell them how to fix their business but it’s abundantly obvious in America that doctors can do whatever they want to you and they don’t care if they waste (a lot of) your time. Nothing about that is inevitable, at least not nearly to the degree that it happens

Can you recompress that a few more times please? I can almost read it

Systemic as in “everyone else does this so we have to in order to compete”?

It’s always seemed to me the issue is over scheduling

If you’re 5 minutes late, you get seen 40 minutes after your appointment time. If you’re five minutes early, you are seen 10 minutes or more past your appointment time. Yep totally makes sense. And totally makes sense that people itt are making this fact the patients’ faults.

I love how multiple people itt are defending doctors making us wait up to an hour after our appointment time as if it’s not 90% their fault

Civilized country defaultism strikes again

And definitely not from the over scheduling. Yep definitely not that.