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Dictatorship of the bourgeoise

ICE concentration camps but with pride flags attached 😍

Thank you comrade for copying over my comments

Engels and lenin had good writings for beginners. You might want to read principles of communism, or state and revolution to get some basic context and theory. The first one is structured like an FAQ and is short. The latter you can find english translations that are quite accessible.

Once you understand the basic principles of marxism, you will understand just how different the whole philosophy really is. If you get deep into the theory, you might see that Marxism is basically a whole separate branch of philosophy that breaks away from the enlightened tradition of western philosophy. In some small sense, I see Marxism as a refuation of liberalism.

This is a memey Internet forum not a ML party formation. Genuinely what do you expect?

Also the stuff about the queer posting is just wierd. How many “normies” are wandering onto lemmy queer spaces in the first place? And if seeing some wierd memes is enough to “push” someone into conservatism then they were already a conservative.

This is a very idealistic view of history. Ideology did not create material conditions, material conditions created ideology (and ideology was used as a tool to reinforce material conditions)

The slavery, genocide, capitalism and colonialism came first. Then liberalism was created to justify it. And I do want to emphasise that all of those 4 things were justified using liberal logic, that was the point of liberal logic.

The first liberals deemed the “unenligtened” to be subhuman, incapable or governing themselves, worthy of being treated like livestock and as fundamental threats to the ruling order. This was their justification for doing everything they did, you can read their writings on native Americans and Africans and see exactly what classical liberalism was all about.

Later waves of liberals ended up using liberal logic to abolish slavery. Great. But the reason they did this was because the capitalist mode of production had superceded the slave mode of production. The surplus of proletariats hated competing with slaves and having their wages be reduced. Meanwhile the northern bourgeoise often had friction with the southern planters since the planters were rentiers extracting wealth from the whole economy like parasites.

Modern liberals now proclaim themselves to be great champions of “liberty” (the liberty for the bourgeoise to buy property), but they by in large continue to support capitalism and western imperialism*. And frankly, why wouldn’t they? That was what the ideology was created for.

*you can see this in their insistence upon using “white man’s burden” arguments whenever foreign intervention comes up

I’m in the camp that their ideas of classical liberalism were fine. I feel shame that our country is built on genocide, slavery and exploitation

Not an American here, but do you not see the contradiction here? From an outside perspective this reads the same as a German saying

I’m in camp that hitler’s ideas were fine. But I feel shame that the riech was founded on genocide slavery and exploitation.

Like I’m genuinely confused here.