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Yeah… I can’t waste my time with this. It’s gotten absurd, as usual here on lemmy.

So a person is only a murderer if they’re caught?

LMAO. That’s some ‘uncertainty principle’ level of bullshit right there!

Seems to me, following this logic- if you murder someone, you’d want to get caught, seeing as how as long as no one saw you, and to get away with it- your victim is un-murdered because it only happens if it can be proven.

I don’t think you understand how ANY of this works.

Innocent doesn’t mean you did not do a crime. You can’t go murder someone and if a court finds you innocent, if means you never killed anyone.

It means not enough evidence was brought for a hurry to convict you of the crime you ACTUALLY committed.

So when someone say “criminal” it’s safe to assume they mean someone who ACTUALLY COMMITTED A CRIME.

Lastly, I wasn’t talking about Luigi, I was countering a point that someone claimed ALL cops plant evidence which is every bit as untrue as believing that ALL criminals are innocent.

Did you note that I said CRIMINAL, and not ACCUSED CRIMINAL?

I swear, if lemmy could ever get its head out from its own ass and actually read comments in good faith instead of seeing each one as a platform to launch a manufactured bullshit argument from, more people would come here.

But this is why people don’t. I know a lot of people this think this place is a joke. And shit like this is why.

Oh ffs…

A criminal is not innocent, and an innocent person is not a criminal.

It’s like you’re almost there….

And I’m replying in context to the comment I responded to. I’m seeing now that it isn’t that lemmy lacks nuance, it’s that lemmy chooses what nuance to allow.

I’m guessing the word “criminal” to you means innocent person?

For fuck’s sake, I was told there is zero nuance to be understood here. I didn’t think I’d have to explain simple concepts like what a criminal is.

Civics course indeed.

Note how I said, “criminal”. This implies that we already know they are guilty- yet they’ll claim innocence.

My point is, this works both ways.

That I said CRIMINALS, implies that I’m talking about people who are NOT innocent.

And I didn’t say how our system of law should perceive them, I said that they will all claim to be innocent.

And we can’t trust the “innocence” of every criminal either. So where does that leave us?

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Shhhhhhh! Let him play in his castle. It keeps him quiet.

Those people purposefully bait confrontation. They go to where they know they are of the unpopular opinion, and loudly and obnoxiously escalate their bigotry until there’s confrontation.

Test this by calmly approaching them and asking what they feel they will accomplish with this- and see how quickly one of the “onlookers” whips out a recording device.