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      War crime kinda buys into the lie that these are wartime actions. These are crimes against humanity and straight up state-directed murder.

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        It doesn’t have to be an official war to be a war crime. Vietnam was never a declared war but My Lai was obviously a war crime.

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          At least 347 and up to 504 civilians, almost all women, children, and elderly men, were murdered by U.S. Army soldiers

          Some of the women were gang-raped and their bodies mutilated, and some soldiers mutilated and raped children as young as 12. The incident was the largest massacre of civilians by U.S. forces in the 20th century.

          The killing began while the troops were searching the village for guerillas, and continued after they realized that no guerillas seemed to be present. Villagers were gathered together, held in the open, then murdered with automatic weapons, bayonets, and hand grenades; one large group of villagers was shot in an irrigation ditch. Soldiers also burned down homes and killed livestock.

          The massacre was originally reported as a battle against Viet Cong troops, and was covered up in initial investigations by the U.S. Army.

          Twenty-six soldiers were charged with criminal offenses, but only Lieutenant William Calley Jr., the leader of 1st Platoon in C Company, was convicted. He was found guilty of murdering 22 villagers and originally given a life sentence, but served three-and-a-half years under house arrest after his sentence was commuted.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_massacre

          Oh my fucking god.

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            The leniency of people who do such acts is why we have the world we have now. From the Revolutionary War to The Civil War to the World Wars, going soft on evil results in others finding new and horrific ways to commit evil, knowing they will face little to no consequences.

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    In the continuing serial murder conspiracy, one-time hate-mongering TV famewhore and national security leak Peter Hegseth ordered the 17th unprovoked, racially-motivated high-explosive rocket attack on yet another random group of peaceful citizens in their pleasure boat in waters within the sovereignty of an ally nation. No charges have been filed against Hegseth, and no trade embargoes have been announced against the warlord’s home territory, the former United States of America.

    Fixed the lede for ya.

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    OK, for real though, why is this happening? Is it all around Venezuela? Or is it just random boats around central America?

    If it’s just Venezuela, then surely these people that are “fishing” know there’s a big ass warship shooting them out of the water if they stray too far from the coast. (I say it in quotes because it just doesn’t add up to me.)

    None of this makes sense to me.

    If they are carrying drugs, surely there’s leftover debris that can prove it, that can be retrieved after the fact.

    Also yeah, whatever the reason, this is not the way to carry out an operation like this. Immobilize the vehicle, stop them and take them to interpol or whatever maritime authority there is on international waters.

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      Your last paragraph is the key one here. They could detain, stop and seize and/or turn them back but they are actively choosing to murder them instead. No trial and no evidence beyond “I say so”. This is state sanctioned terrorism. It’s about the fear, the chaos and the domination. It’s not about protecting anyone or preventing anything. The pain and fear is the purpose.

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        Right, but the people going out must know the risk they are taking at this point right? What is so important that they’re risking their lives with this? None of it adds up for me.

        Edit: going out and taking that risk screams doing it under duress. But then there would be evidence right?

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          Do you just stop going to work because of workplace shooting? Do you just stop sending your kids to school because of school shootings? Do you stop going to church or the grocery store because some maniac might light it up? Do you stop dating as a woman because you’re most likely to be murdered by the man you’re dating or married to?

          But the short answer… poverty! If they’re fishing it’s for work and if they’re running drugs it’s also for work. They’re doing their jobs bc their kids don’t eat if they don’t. Just because someone drives a boat with cargo you don’t agree with doesn’t make them a demon. That’s _if _ these people are doing that which the US government is giving zero legitimate proof of. But even if they are drug runners, it’s work and good paying work, and probably even a bigger payoff now that the US is on a murderous rampage. If you survive the payoff may just be worth it. They’re people. People with families and with needs.

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            My possibly incorrect assumption is that those boats that got hit were the only ones going that far away. If there are more and these are the only ones randomly getting hit then yeah that’s just terrorism.

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              So Venezuelans don’t have the right to go across an invisible line in their own sea because the United States will murder them? US boats of all kinds frequently leave US waters. Should every other country just start calling us terrorists and blow us up?

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                Thats not at all what I said though? I said that whoever is crossing that invisible line is risking their lives and they probably know it. And if that is the case and people have to cross that line to go fish and then that warship is just randomly picking off boats then yes it is absolutely terrorism.

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    Bet Biden is mad he didn’t think of this shit first

    US rather fight drugs and have poor uninsured citizens than have high well paid well fed citizens that have healthcare

    Fucking nuts that either party gets any votes

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      Note to everyone else: I tagged this dipshit as “Both Sides R Bad” a week ago and it’s hilarious seeing him pop up

      Stay on brand king

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        so one side is exclusively and publicly on our side as citizens and the other is not and it is not both sides against the citizens?

        only one side is for universal healthcare, less pollution, higher wages, etcetera?

        if that were the case where is the healthcare, less pollution in the United States, the higher wages, etcetera?

        if it is not both sides then why do both sides not only work together but do it even when not in the best interest of the citizens and it constantly shows all around the country?

        the two parties even held a celebrity filled gala together where protesters that were for the welfare of everyone were locked outside