Ive been thinking of going caffeine and alcohol free for a while. Alcohol wouldnt be an issue but I really love coffee.
I’ve quit everything besides coffee. Once went three months without it, and it definitely wasn’t worth quitting for me.
Coffee has never been proven harmful, and may be protective for the brain. I quit caffeine a couple times when younger for months and (once past the initial withdrawal headache) all that happened was I got more migraines and gained a couple of pounds, saw no benefits.
So no.
Alcohol I practice moderation, once or twice a week but never, ever, ever an everyday drinker. That I’ve taken years off and didn’t feel better but not worse like when I tried no caffeine.
So usually no on that as well but I do sometimes go a month or two without.
I don’t do any other drugs.
Coffee has never been proven harmful
Really?
You’re in a stimulant psychosis, probably. That or you just said that while knowing you’ve never actually even looked that claim up, while reading all the “caffeine is necessary for your brain” research funded by companies like Coca-Cola.
There’s a reason there’s a huge warning on energy drinks to only have a maximum of three a day. Less so for pregnant women. (Because of the caffeine content, which is in similar levels as coffee.)
Caffeine and cannabis are similarly low-risk drugs, but there are some important differences.
“In wise hands poison is medicine. In foolish hands medicine is poison.” – Casanova
Long-term caffeine use kills between 1,000 to 10,000 people every year in the US, from “stress, ulcers and triggering irregular heartbeats,” according to the US Bureau of Mortality Statistics.
Cannabis overuse deaths are, again, zero, according to the same source
Conclusion
To conclude, caffeine is clearly more risky, more dangerous, more deadly, more harmful and more costly than cannabis in every category – overdose deaths, overuse deaths, withdrawal symptoms and acute toxicity.
The only area where cannabis provides the greater risk is in regards to the impairment levels of novice users.
Regulations that treat cannabis as far more dangerous than caffeine don’t reflect reality, and should be challenged by drug peace activists. Society should treat each drug according to the risks that drug provides, rather than making rules based on ignorant myths and racist, outdated traditions.
How about
Caffeine Linked to Hallucinations
Hard-core coffee and tea drinkers tend to see and hear things that aren’t there
https://www.science.org/content/article/caffeine-linked-hallucinations
It’s quite well documented as well
According to a study published this week in the journal Personality and Individual Differences, “high caffeine users”* are three times more likely to experience auditory hallucinations—hearing voices when no has actually spoken—than people who consume little or no caffeine.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-culture/caffeine-linked-to-hallucinations-51161154/
And obviously we know a hard upper limit for caffeine, after which people fucking die. No such thing for cannabis.
Caffeine is the most widely consumed psychoactive compound worldwide. It is mostly found in coffee, tea, energizing drinks and in some drugs. However, it has become really easy to obtain pure caffeine (powder or tablets) on the Internet markets. Mechanisms of action are dose-dependent. Serious toxicities such as seizure and cardiac arrhythmias, seen with caffeine plasma concentrations of 15 mg/L or higher, have caused poisoning or, rarely, death; otherwise concentrations of 3–6 mg/kg are considered safe. Caffeine concentrations of 80–100 mg/L are considered lethal.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5986491/
I don’t do any other drugs.
Obviously, because you’ve drank the koolaid of drug propaganda.
Ok, that was unnecessary. We could go on rant about excess anything, like oxygen or water, also potentially causing harm or even death. People drinking beverages designed to have excess caffeine and other stimulants are not comparable to what would be considered normal consumption. FWIW I think energy drinks suck, they absolutely can cause harm.
Having a couple cups of coffee a day, as long as you don’t have any deleterious effects, has been associated with health benefits. Leave it at that.
Leave it at that.
“I want to be ignorant of any possible downsides in my addiction! >:( I don’t want to hear ‘science’ about it, I listen to my feelings.”
Especially when
FWIW I think energy drinks suck, they absolutely can cause harm.
That’s like someone dissing vaping while reeking of old tobacco. Rofl.
We could go on rant about excess anything, like oxygen or water,
“Sola dosis facit venenum” pffft. No, we really can’t in the same way. Water isn’t toxic in any amounts. Dehydration through hyponatremia is a thing called water toxicity, but it’s not aptly named, as you need distilled water and can’t have any salt, otherwise the water won’t be “toxic”. Also, you can breathe 100% oxygen and be completely fine.
Caffeine LD50 values are honestly rather low. Not as low as alcohol, but still, pretty low. And the amount it takes for harmful effects to show up is literally on the same level as an average to high daily caffeine user.
So no, your substance use isn’t the same as drinking water and breathing. All substance use has inherent risks, no matter how small. Yes, even caffeine and cannabis. What is ridiculous to me is that the same folk who literally can’t manage without a daily dose of their chosen substance without physical withdrawal (>70% caffeine users get headaches if they stop) and think there’s no harm in it, are the same people who think cannabis causes psychosis.
Stimulant psychosis is much more likely. Just like is psychosis brought on by alcohol.
excess caffeine and other stimulants are not comparable to what would be considered normal consumption
Ignorant. Just so ignorant.
Like any addict you’re rationalising your addiction. But unlike many addicts, you’re at the same time also judging others for the same addiction you have and making up “facts” you feel are right.
Regular, excessive coffee consumption (typically >4 cups/day or >400-600mg caffeine) can cause negative effects including, insomnia, jitters, anxiety, and heart palpitations. It may cause digestive distress (acid reflux, diarrhea), increased blood pressure, addiction, and potential bone density issues. Regular use often leads to tolerance, requiring more coffee to achieve the same effect
You’ve got too much free time on your hands.
Why is it always “lol do you think I’m reading all that” or an equivalent reply where you’re trying to mock a user on a forum for… using the forum.
And it’s never to do with the length (writing that took less time than smoking a cigarette, which I used to do years ago), but the content. You’re a bit ashamed that your take is so objectively biased due to your addiction.
“Coffee! Aaah, black as night and sweet as hell mmmm. Great, healthy, amazing!”
“A carbonated sugar-free drink with less caffeine? Poison!”
I don’t need to reply to a WoT that completely ignored the substance and intent of my reply. You’re wasting our time. I don’t see any reason to reply when you’re making up everything you think I would say, with a massive sprinkling of hyperbole, just fine on your own. You don’t need me to join the conversation you’re having in your head.
I don’t need to reply
Ah yes, after the “you’re wasting your time on Lemmy” it’s the “I’m not gonna reply”, he replied.
when you’re making up everything you think I would say
You literally said “coffee has never been proven harmful”. That’s like saying “cigarette smoking has never been associated with cancer” or “there’s no evidence we ever went to the moon”. About on the same level, factually and intellectually.
Secondly, you said that energydrinks are “definitely harmful” and thought they are overcaffeinated, when average coffee contains more caffeine than they do.
You don’t need me to join the conversation you’re having in your head.
Projecting a bit there, since you’re the one who’s literally making shit up, because you think it feels correct because of your ignorance. I never said something as silly as “coffee has never been proven harmful”, now did I?
I’m the one who’s linking actual science.
