As details of the death toll for January’s protests continue to emerge, three students explain why they are resisting a return to normality
More than 45 days after a brutal January crackdown that left thousands of Iranian protesters dead, students across several universities are protesting again. As Iran’s new academic term began on Saturday, students in Tehran gathered on campus, chanting anti-government slogans, despite a heavy security presence and plainclothes officers stationed outside university gates.
The Guardian spoke to protesting students about why they were rallying despite the fact that thousands had been killed and tens of thousands arrested in the January demonstrations.
“Our classrooms are empty because the graveyards are full,” said Hossein*, 21, a student at the University of Tehran. “It’s for them – our friends, classmates and compatriots, who were gunned down in front of our eyes, that we decided to boycott the classes.”
A non-insignificant portion are Russians pretending to be Americans.
You’re making that up
Look at profiles like Davel@lemmy.ml
Literally pretending to be a red-blooded American while doing comments like “reality has a well known Russian propaganda-bias”, and having several comments on his profiles in fluent Russian.
If you were a Russian online in today’s atmosphere, would you admit to it, or pretend to be from another country?
No matter how much I’d like to make up shit against Russia, there’s no need. Unlike Russians, we Finns don’t feel the need to lie for our despotic leader. Mainly because we don’t have one. Haven’t had one since 1809 pretty much. Well, arguably a bit from 1809 to 1917, but I wouldn’t make that argument.
So yeah. Feel like reasoning your feelings out at all? Could help others figure out what you’re thinking.
Cool, you have one example. I’ve had Polish and American users engage in multi-account downvote against me during discussions, and I don’t go around making claims of “this website is full of American and Polish bots”. You’re literally high into the EU propaganda of Russian propaganda prevalence, when in reality EU+US have a lot more power and are extremely more prevalent. We’ve literally seen the entire media apparatus in Europe align with Isntreal’s genocide and you still believe that the propaganda problem in Europe is coming from Russia?
Ask yourself why European countries are so quick to ban Russian media and even enjail pro-Russian politicians (looking at your southern neighbors on the other side of the Gulf) but are seemingly incapable to do anything remotely similar against autoctonous European far-right leaders. Your own freaking country is destroying itself with turbo neoliberalism and recently overtook my homeland in unemployment rates!! The problem is INSIDE!
Yes, I don’t see why I would need to hide my identity. I’m a Spaniard and I don’t hide it. If Americans are comfortable online during times of US-sponsored genocide in Gaza and full-scale illegal bombing of Iran, I don’t see why Russians wouldn’t be comfortable beyond Russophobic users such as yourself.
Please remind me, what historical event happened in 1917 that led to Finland’s independence? Surely you must admire Lenin for promoting the FIRST CONSTITUTION IN THE WORLD that allowed the unilateral right of secession and self-determination that your homeland used? Also, what was Finland doing between 1941 and 1945?
Oh, getting a bit mad, huh? Where were you born and raised?
A whole essay shifting your goalposts. You said I’m making up Russians pretending to be Americans. I give you a every clear example, and you just kick off a tantrum about how “European propaganda” this and that. Clearly setting sort of teams here. And implying I’m on one (European) and by implication that you’re on another.
I’m really not up to writing an essay where I answer all your whataboutism and shitty implications.
If you’re pretending like “European propaganda” exists, that there’s some hegemonic culture which unites all the countries and thus all their intelligence apparatuses as well and they share coordinated disinformation campaigns equal to those of Russia? Get fucked, you know how ridiculous of a notion that is. Europe isn’t a hegemony, unlike Russia, which is absolutely infamous for its disinformation campaigns, all over the world. Objectively.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_disinformation
Told you, Spaniard. Believe it or not, not everyone who disagrees with European supremacy is a Russian actor.
I said you’re making up the scale of it, which you are.
Lmao, that’s unbelievable, you’re literally the joke of the CIA agent telling the KGB agent that there’s no propaganda in the US
Are you capable of conceiving that a collaborative project edited foremost by tech-literate Anglos using Anglo sources will portray the bias of Anglo propaganda? Would you trust a Russian or Chinese collaborative encyclopedia on articles about western disinformation using Russian and Chinese sources?
You’re literally entirely oblivious of the extent of western propaganda. Clue: you’re witnessing the genocide of Palestinians in Gaza LIVE and the invasion of Iran, and you’re still portraying immensely more anti-Russian bias than anti-American.
Small test on European propaganda: ask yourself how much you know about Stalin and the gulags, and how much you know about France’s colonial violence in Algeria in 1960s.
I said you’re making up the scale of it, which you are.
The scale of “non-insignificant”? Yes, obviously it’s me who’s overreacting here. Lol.
No, not everyone who disagrees with me is a Russian, but most who virulently talk of “the West” and “European propaganda”, especially bringing it out when Russia is criticised turn out to be. It’s kinda funny, because said Ruskis never understand how see-through they are. Just like Davel. And even if I’m 100% confident he is Russian, and even had the evidence to prove it, he would never admit to it, because, why would he?
The point here is that Europe isn’t a hegemony. There is no “European propaganda” in the same sense there is organised Russian disinformation. To argue against that is just idiocy, and shows how little you understand what it’s like to live in Europe. And not all of Europe is EU either, even if EU had some sort of hegemony — which it doesn’t.
Oh like Russians who just stomp their foot and insist Lemmy doesn’t have Russians, okay it has Russians but not Russians pretending to be from other countries, okay Russians pretending to be from other countries but not on this absolutely gargantuan scale which you said, okay you didn’t say a gargantuan scale, you just said “non-insignificant”, but still, I’m right and you’re wrong.
Remember when I asked you if you were a Ruski, if you’d admit to it, or pretend to be from another country? Yeah… ;>
Roflmao
I probably didn’t answer all your garbage but I’m off to have a burger now, I’ll read more about you crying and defending Russian disinfo later, because you won’t be able to give this up, because I’ve called you out on your BS and that just annoys you so when people don’t just do what they regularly do with people like you, which is to ignore them.
Like it’s so hilarious that you’re implying that basically only if Russia themselves admit to actively doing disinfo, then it’s gonna be trustworthy, but anyone else saying anything about it is bs? :D
https://www.bmi.bund.de/SharedDocs/schwerpunkte/EN/disinformation/examples-of-russian-disinformation-and-the-facts.html
Bund.de is probably just european propaganda and all made up but Russia doesn’t do disinfo right? Ruahahaha
I have a hard time understanding how most of Ruskis are so simple and yet still have the most chess GM’s and such good spycraft at higher levels.
“Propaganda doesn’t exist in my country”
-Dumbest person on Earth
Keep believing that everything is Russian propaganda while your own country guts your welfare, your rights, destroys its economy and supports genocide in Palestine lmfao. Por quinta y última vez, soy español cojones. This is my alt from hexbear @vovchik_ilich@hexbear.net feel free to check out my latest post discussing the Spanish civil war with Spanish sources, freaking paranoid Finn
Ofc it fucking does. But “Europe” isn’t a country, is it, dipshit? Europe isn’t a hegemony. You need a hegemony for proper propaganda. How is this so hard for you to understand? Are you honestly so willfully ignorant you don’t know what “hegemony” means that you won’t spend 10 seconds checking the meaning? :D
What does discussing the Spanish civil war have to do with Russians being ashamed of being loser Ruskis? Either you’re a super shamed Ruski, or even worse, a European who’s bought into their propaganda. (I genuinely think the latter is worse tbh.)
It’s a great burger btw.
Russian disinfo is objectively massive. Yet you’re literally defending it like a conditioned dog.