So, it seems like PieFed is becoming a real alternative to lemmy.
What are the differences between these two? From a tech perspective, and also morality/ethics, if you want. Any differences in vision for these services?
Say whatever is on your mind. I want to know.
On which one should we put our weight?
Edit: I will leave this post here, which is a post by one of the devs of Lemmy that enumerates some of the things Lemmy 1.0 has. Lemmy 1.0 seems to be already in alpha stage and is already testable. The feature selection does look fantastic. Here is the post I am referring to: https://lemmy.ml/post/40744781
PieFed all the way. It’s developing at lightning speed, while Lemmy lags behind as the transphobic genocide denying devs beg for donations with in built donation begging banners on all Lemmy instances front pages. Instances are apparently scared to defed from .ml for fear the devs wont support them with help.
Rimu has made some interesting choices, such as blocking 196 from default federating posts until a user subs first or a dislike for meme subs. But when spoken to has been receptive and removed such things or made them optional for admins.
Ethically and feature wise PieFed is in the lead, its not perfect but its open to change and receptive to ideas.
Why should we withdraw from the tankies, insufferable though they may be. Just don’t follow their posts. We don’t need or want to withdraw into echo chambers to protect our own people from wrongthink. Use your reason to dissuade from wrongthink.
More than just the tankies, we want to expand the people federated to include the right wing. You don’t have to follow their bullshit if you don’t want to, but segregating from them is a mistake, one that has led us to where we are today, in different realities.
Non-nazi conservatives already can use the existing general instances. Every ‘free speech right wing’ instance that has been created immediately became nazi bars that welcomed fascists. Tolerating the intolerant will simply push away the non-fascists from participating, which is what ultimately caused previous reddit alternatives like Voat (and Bitchute, Nostr, Odysee, etc) to fail.
The majority of conservatives are not nazis even if they unknowingly support them. It does makes sense that nazis are looking for a home and colonized offshoots like lemmy though as the explicit ones would be forced from mainstream outlets.
Obviously there is a line there, where do you draw it? From banning out and out nazis, to what? Who says who is a nazi, or a fascist?
We should have a clear set of rules, and violations, or censoring, should go through a process ending in a jury trial of users before any final decision is made. Not only would it be fun to run such jury trials on violations, and give a sense of community, but it would prevent moderators and developers deciding for us what we can see and prevent abuses of their power, and prevent government and business interests getting their hooks into the moderation.
In the case of banning instances idk about that even, my instance doesn’t block any instances and I’ve seen no nazis. Even if I did, so what, I could avoid them, same as I do with tankies. It’s better to be able to see what they are doing anyway, insight is valuable at times. The instance could have a banner explaining they are condemned by the other instances, where you have to affirmatively click on it like a nsfw post.
What about people critical of Israel? Israel’s superfans insist it’s bigotry to not support their final solution against their others, to question them forcing millions of people into ghettos. Are we to censor anyone disputing such narratives because bigotry is alleged? Because they equate criticism of their policies as naziism, quite literally, while themselves being nazis of a new sort. The bad (worse) guys always accuse their victims/opponents of doing what they are doing. Why should developers and site administrators decide truth on their own?
I do not see what good it does banning instances in the first place. You think your own users are going to become nazis after seeing their posts? To protect their weak minds from wrongthink? It doesn’t really work like that, and people not being exposed to it can make it more likely they get seduced to it not less. And it’s not in the best traditions of western culture to censor viewpoints as such.
I agree. And you know what, Facebook’s sponsored algorithm makes more Nazis than Nazis alone. What we need is to be able to subscribe to community notes and misinformation alerts from trusted sources. There is room for everyone, even the fucking Nazis. We just need block lists etc. And before someone cries echo chamber, you know it’s kind of up to you to monitor your “trusted” sources over time. Things change and being informed is being informed. Apolitical people or people too thick for ethical decisions just don’t need an algorithm pushing political propaganda to their feed every moment of every day.