cross-posted from: https://lemmy.sdf.org/post/48071860
A new report by Genocide Watch, a rights group, concludes that the Chinese Communist Party’s policies against Uyghur Muslims meet multiple advanced stages of genocide under international law.
The report finds that the Chinese government’s actions in Chinese-occupied East Turkistan aka the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region span Stages 3, 8, 9, and 10 of genocide. These include systematic discrimination, mass persecution through detention and torture, exterminatory acts such as mass rape and the removal of Uyghur children, and ongoing denial by Chinese authorities and their international defenders.
Genocide Watch documents the use of mass detention camps, forced political indoctrination, bans on the Uyghur language, widespread destruction of mosques, forced labor programs, coercive population control policies, and the separation of Uyghur children from their families into Mandarin-only institutions. The report warns that these acts constitute both genocide and crimes against humanity under the Genocide Convention.
“This report removes any remaining ambiguity,” said Arslan Hidayat, Team Lead of the Save Uyghur Campaign. “Genocide Watch is clear that what is happening to Uyghurs is not cultural policy or counterterrorism. It is a coordinated campaign that has reached the extermination and denial stages of genocide. Governments that continue business as usual with Beijing are choosing complicity over accountability.”
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“These recommendations are not radical. They are the minimum legal and moral obligations of states that claim to uphold human rights,” said Imam Abdul Malik Mujahid, President of Justice For All. “The stages of genocide identified in this report are a warning to the world. History will judge whether governments acted when the evidence was undeniable or looked away while an entire people were erased.”
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Lmao, OP, I am once again asking you to drop evidence of a Uyghur grnocide that does not immediately recycle Radio Free Asia or Adrien Zenz talking points.
If you actually read this “new” report, youll find there is very little new content - aside from whatever new pieces RFA has put out this year.
At this point, you can look at the sources for this “new” article and notice it leans HEAVILY on another report from Rian Thum
And what happens if we look at this reports references?
Just more circular references to Zenz.
(This one is especially funny, because in the intro, they talk all high and mighty about how their ONLY sources are primary Chinese documents from the state, or leaks from the state. And in the footnote, they basically say “yeah we cant read this, so see what our buddy Zenz had to say about it” despite the fact that that Zenz doesnt speak Chinese. The same Zenz who says Hitler had good ideas on population control, by the way)
This OP is draped in congressional language, and its got the length to boot… But this is not a new report. This is not even an investigation. This is essentially the US government dropping a summary of all of their new RFA pieces that have dropped this year. I encourage anyone lookin at these reports to be critical of RFA and Zenz. Having an ounce of skepticism will immediately reveal that the vast majority of the times, these China hit pieces on Uyghurs are just circular references of Zenz and RFA.
The biggest problem here is that the west can’t say shit, as China is too important and we have even more genocide by our hands 🤷♂️
Too bad China had a habit of cracking down on journalists it doesn’t like. Imagine if the west could send someone in there to prove you right
Bullshit. You can go to Xinjiang and see for yourself, as millions do each year.
“What we are dealing with is a nonfalsifiable orthodoxy”. From Michael Parenti’s Blackshirts & Reds:
In the United States, for over a hundred years, the ruling interests tirelessly propagated anticommunism among the populace, until it became more like a religious orthodoxy than a political analysis. During the cold war, the anticommunist ideological framework could transform any data about existing communist societies into hostile evidence. If the Soviets refused to negotiate a point, they were intransigent and belligerent; if they appeared willing to make concessions, this was but a skillful ploy to put us off our guard. By opposing arms limitations, they would have demonstrated their aggressive intent; but when in fact they supported most armament treaties, it was because they were mendacious and manipulative. If the churches in the USSR were empty, this demonstrated that religion was suppressed; but if the churches were full, this meant the people were rejecting the regime’s atheistic ideology. If the workers went on strike (as happened on infrequent occasions), this was evidence of their alienation from the collectivist system; if they didn’t go on strike, this was because they were intimidated and lacked freedom. A scarcity of consumer goods demonstrated the failure of the economic system; an improvement in consumer supplies meant only that the leaders were attempting to placate a restive population and so maintain a firmer hold over them.
If communists in the United States played an important role struggling for the rights of workers, the poor, African-Americans, women, and others, this was only their guileful way of gathering support among disfranchised groups and gaining power for themselves. How one gained power by fighting for the rights of powerless groups was never explained. What we are dealing with is a nonfalsifiable orthodoxy, so assiduously marketed by the ruling interests that it affected people across the entire political spectrum.
Cool, looks like you can use copy and paste, but don’t really say anything about journalists. Which on the topic.
Nice of you to assume i can afford a ticket to East Kazakhstan to verify ML bullshit, but I can’t. Instead I need to trust media organisations and the international community. Can’t really trust Chinese state media as they arrested Cheng Lei and Yeng Hengjun and sentenced them behind a closed trial. They also tried to arrest Bill Birtles and Mike Smith for espionage.
https://youtu.be/t-axd1Ht_J8 Discussing China’s set up of a prison network in East Kazakhstan
Not that I think any of these will really dissuade YOU, but others who read this will know you are full of it
see link to “forced labor” proof
it’s just a factory shutting down
Also the article intentionally conflates accusations to make it seem scary. Typical China hateboner behavior.
it’s just a factory shutting down
They linked it because of the reason Volkswagen was selling the factory.
You either didn’t read the article (I get it, it’s paywalled) or you’re intentionally misrepresenting the link.
Either one makes your argument look bad.
Transcript of the article
Volkswagen VOW3 -0.38% has sold a car plant in China’s Xinjiang region that has drawn scrutiny over alleged human-rights abuses.
The Urumqi site, which is owned by a joint venture between VW and local partner SAIC Motor 600104 -0.32%, has been a source of controversy in recent years because of China’s alleged persecution of Uyghur minorities in the Xinjiang region.
The German company’s presence in Xinjiang has long attracted attention in the West. Under pressure from investors and the German and U.S. governments, VW conducted an audit of the Urumqi plant, which it said last year found no evidence of human-rights abuses.
(…) After the pandemic hit, however, operations at the plant started to wind down and the factory no longer assembles vehicles.
The “proof” is “attracted attention in the West” and “under pressure from investors” - and then it found no such proof in the factory.
Why the wind down? Mentioned in the linked article from the year before:
His visit also highlighted Volkswagen’s other problem with the plant: It has fallen short of big plans the company and its joint-venture partner, the Shanghai government-owned SAIC Motor Corp., initially had for it.
“The business model has changed. There is currently no production of our own,” Mr. Brandstätter said this week after the first visit in nearly two years by a Volkswagen senior executive to the site. Chip-supply issues, as well as China’s Covid-19 curbs, contributed to the joint venture downsizing its workforce by almost two-thirds in recent years.
That time Brandstätter also said he saw nothing. Now, I’m not inclined to believe what some capitalist corpo guy says about working conditions, but this whole thing is obviously political pressure, because Germany does not want their big manufacturing corpos so deeply involved in China, as it draws capital and jobs away from the country, the whole Uyghur angle is used as a reason to build pressure.
The report asserts: “Global scrutiny of supply chains linked to Xinjiangfactories resulted in Volkswagen’s exit from Urumqi”, which is not true or if so only in the sense that the pressure resulted in the closure, but not actual abuses.
This is also clear, when you check other linked articles, for example under “a source of criticism in Germany”, which is a union leader lamenting about exactly that and also using the same age old allegations as an argument that are used every time, although economic interests are the real reason he opened his mouth in the first place.
Later in the report even notorious discredited one-man-source Adrian Zenz, ideologue and religious extremist himself is being used as source for their judgement. It’s a sham. It’s political propaganda.
This whole little one-page “report” does not bring anything new to the table. They made up some criteria and released a report towards the end of the year, so the myth is being kept alive and accounts like Hotznplotzn, that do literally nothing else other then posting Anti-China and Anti-Russia propaganda, can rile you up and manufacture consent against them.
Stop being so gullible. There is no new proof for anything. It’s a rehash to gain attention. OP is right.
You either didn’t read the article (I get it, it’s paywalled) or you’re intentionally misrepresenting the link.
They’re from .ML, what do you think it is?
